Today's guest mentions his odd jobs as a young guy and how those things led him to where he is today.
0:58 - So, you were a sports writer?
4:40 - How did your story start with the Church of the Nazarene and why have you stayed?
9:45 - Are there any saints in the shadows that championed you? How did they do that?
13:00 - You are a learner and a voracious reader. Can you talk to us about the progression of the way you understood the world as black and white into more gray now?
17:30 - What is it about our family that matters to the world?
23:20 - So, who are you?